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Sexual Preference Analysis Part One: Matou Shinji Really Needs To Come Out of the Closet

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So, several fellow fic writers are doing character studies. Which is really neat, but it's not something I can really do. Most of my characterization is internal, it's a gut reaction. There's a lot of going with my gut when I write. There's also a lot of analyzing too (at one point I need to do a blog about Archer and Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome), but there's a lot that only makes sense to me. Because I'm crazy.

However, there is something I can share involving analyzing and characters.

And that is their sexual preferences! Well, not exactly that, but their sexuality and so on and so forth. Also, there maybe some characters that I analyze that may surprise you. I hope. Some not so surprising, but others . . . I know at least one character that may shock others that will be on this list but I've put a lot of thought into because it fascinates me. Plus I may use that character in the future so there you have it.

Shinji-
I told you there would be some surprises here.

I'm not too sure about my feelings on Shinji as a character, but there are hints here and there that fascinate me. Honestly, most of the stories I write has him dead, or as an Asshole Victim (by request). I do have a story idea that has a Shinji redemption plot as a secondary story line, but that's another story for another time.

Anyway. I actually see Shinji as at least bisexual with some heavy homosexual leanings. Just the boy's in denial. He might act like a playboy at school, but when he gets an object of "affection" of the opposite gender he wants to rape her. His actions towards Rin don't strike me as someone who has a crush and is trying to get close to the school idol. His actions towards Rin smack heavily jealousy; he's jealous that Rin's a true magus.

At first he attempts to date her in attempts to ride on her coat tails. If she's an accomplished magus and paying attention to him, that has to mean something to him. However Rin (smartly) gives him the brush off. Which makes him angry.

Once he gets angry he wants to hurt and defile Rin. It's not about lust, it's about showing his power over her. Like he gets to with Sakura.

. . . Sakura, that brings me to another point. Someone else he's jealous of, because Sakura is a magus and stole his place from him, but he is ordered to subdue the worms inside of her. A nicer boy would have just eagerly gone for the sex, Shinji however wants to make it as degrading as possible. At least that's the subtext of it.

He's angry and jealous towards Sakura, but he gets to show power and dominance over her. Once Sakura starts to openly defy him in HF does he attempt to "do his duty" again. And then there's the facet that she's been sleeping with Shirou.

I could argue that part of the reason why Shinji doesn't like Sakura hanging out with Shirou is that she gets to have time alone with Shirou that he can't have. That Sakura's taking something else away from him. Sakura can also be around Shirou in a romantic context and it's smiled upon, but Shinji can't. Which brings me to my next point.

Even in today's "enlightened society" male homosexuality is frowned upon, while lesbians will get branded with "cool and awesome" by the majority of the straight male population. There's still heavy homophobia towards gay men. It's dangerous to come out of the closet, especially if your grandfather is a centuries year old worm man who is determined to continue the magus blood line. Even though Zouken really wouldn't give a loose toss either way if Shinji was gay, bi, or straight, Shinji would think he would. So this brings along major repression, because, whoo, Shinji is throwing off signals like mad.

Just look at Shinji in UBW with both Gil and Archer.

Shinji is constantly touching Gil. I mean seriously. Every time Shinji and Gil are in a scene together where Gil's not
punching Ilya's dead heart through his chest Shinji is touching him. Actually touching Gil in a rather possessive way. Plus he's happy to be around Gil, because Gil's a "useful servant"and powerful. Shinji makes a point to touch Gil's shoulder, back, or arm when around him.

Then he outright tells Archer that he wishes Archer had been his Servant, or that they could have teamed up before Archer pretty much burned his bridges with everyone. Shinji's dialogue there sounds more like a guy asking someone out on a date than a missed partnership. During that whole exchange Shinji's actually rather flirtatious and turning up the charm. It could be argued that he was wanting to get to Rin and trying to charm Archer, but if Shinji had really wanted Rin then and there, he could have just ordered Gil to kill Archer.

He didn't.

Then there's his actions with Shirou. If anything, Shinji acts like a scorned lover towards his former friend.
So, that's my feelings about Shinji and his sexual preference. The boy is in denial.

I . . . ended running on longer than I'd intended. So let's just call this "Part One".

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  1. Kotonoha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Pulse
    Well, I'd hardly call rape "erotic."
    All the people writing Rider/Ayako porn apparently would, though!

    Yeah, I know for a fact at least in the Fate route that Rin punched Shinji for suggesting she team up with him after he called Shirou "useless." Still, it would take some serious brainwashing for her to ever really consider him as anything more than a pest - she makes it clear in the prologue she can't really stand him, shuts him down every chance she gets, and in some ways is just waiting for the war to have an excuse to kill him, I think.
    That sounds OOC for Rin. Hell, she goes out of her way to give him advice or save him more than once in the VN. Rin doesn't like when people die, let alone actually wanting to kill anyone.
  2. Five_X's Avatar
    Also keep in mind the ending of UBW, where she simply walks into a giant blob of Grail mud threatening to kill her just to save Shinji, who earlier in the route had made an attempt at raping her.

    So yeah, she's not at all waiting for an excuse to kill him.
  3. Tobias's Avatar
    Well, in the most limited sense, I am not entirely certain a lot of that wasn't shirou rubbing off on her, though i certainly don't think rin was looking for an excuse to kill shinji, that's rather preposterous.


    On a general note though, responding to something further back, I don't think they would work together as a couple, shinji definitely isn't rin's type and when you get right down to it, she really isn't his.
  4. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Pulse
    Still, it would take some serious brainwashing for her to ever really consider him as anything more than a pest - she makes it clear in the prologue she can't really stand him, shuts him down every chance she gets, and in some ways is just waiting for the war to have an excuse to kill him, I think.
    Honestly, I think "Oh, by the way, I've been raping your sister for four years" would get him "upgraded" from "pest" to "kill on sight" pretty damn fast....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    All the people writing Rider/Ayako porn apparently would, though!
    Well, Rider/Ayako rape is definitely hot. As is Rider/Ayako consensual sex, for that matter....

    That sounds OOC for Rin. Hell, she goes out of her way to give him advice or save him more than once in the VN. Rin doesn't like when people die, let alone actually wanting to kill anyone.
    Well, he is Sakura's "brother", and Sakura does care for him, so I think that alone pretty much protects him from Rin's wrath as long as she doesn't find out the truth about how he's treating her. Still, even without that, I don't think Rin would kill him in cold blood, and nor would she be looking for an excuse to do so. As an opponent in the Grail War, on the other hand, she might well be willing to kill him if it was necessary (although her definition of "necessary" is probably quite narrow...).
  5. Kotonoha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias
    On a general note though, responding to something further back, I don't think they would work together as a couple, shinji definitely isn't rin's type and when you get right down to it, she really isn't his.
    It was actually Shinji/Ayako that was being talked about, not Shinji/Rin. Actually I guess DP started talking about Shinji/Rin somewhere in there...?

    Well, Rider/Ayako rape is definitely hot.
    And there we have it. :P
  6. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    And there we have it. :P
    I've never written Rider x Ayako porn, though :p
  7. Tobias's Avatar
    its possible I misread this post as it and a few before it seemed to be about rin.

    Oh then maybe it happened more than once, I don't remember.
    Still, I don't see how "they could not have a relationship, because she would punch him for some unspecified reason" works. Seems like a poor excuse.
    If I did, please feel free to ignore me.
  8. HoundOfUlster's Avatar
    Well, Rider/Ayako rape is definitely hot.

    UH WOW ARE YOU SURE YOU MEANT TO SOUND LIKE YOU DO LOL

    Yeah, bodice ripper kink is A Thing, I share it myself, but LORD A MERCY SON look at how you come off pl0x that is some lack of self awareness

    That aside, this is really thoughtful, and now I keep thinking Shinji's kvetching about Shirou's scar is moronic-tsun, like "WWEH YOU STUPID SEXY BASTARD I DON'T WANNA THINK ABOUT YOU HAVING GOTTEN HURT WWEH"

    And now that you point out the touching-Gil thing it's really obvious.
  9. Dark Pulse's Avatar
    ...Yeah, I may have misread it as well as meaning Rin, in retrospect. Ayako/Shinji is a totally different beast. I'm not sure how that would turn out, but I doubt that would go over either.

    I kind of view Ayako as a moderate tomboy - not quite as brash, outspoken, or "angsty" as Makidera, but also not afraid to put on a little makeup, perfume, or a skirt, something I think Makidera does a lot less readily, Yamato Nadeshiko or not. Still, definitely no girly girl, and someone to whom competing with boys is kind of a natural thing and she's already done so for years. In this sense, Shinji would be in for a surprise if he tried to woo Ayako with "masculine" charm because she already puts him down a fair bit as it is - and she's friends with Rin, after all, whom Shinji wants "more." So he's kind of catch-22'd there.

    At the same time, she doesn't exactly seem to be the type who'd be cowed by force. She always came off to me as the type who'd simply have no problem punching back if she had to. Whether she'd win or not is another matter, of course, especially without a Servant to make the dirty work easy for Shinji.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1984
    Honestly, I think "Oh, by the way, I've been raping your sister for four years" would get him "upgraded" from "pest" to "kill on sight" pretty damn fast....
    And bring old man Zouken out because she broke the NAP by killing him? Rin isn't that stupid. Neither is Shinji that dumb to tell her that. Not until during the war, anyway, I'd imagine - and at that point the NAP would be off, anyway.

    That said, I'd kind of think Rin would prefer just letting him be psychologically tortured over murdered in the end, but that's just me.
  10. Kotonoha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias
    its possible I misread this post as it and a few before it seemed to be about rin.



    If I did, please feel free to ignore me.
    Yeah that was about Ayako. Since what DP said was: "you're kinda ignoring the fact that, like Rin, [Ayako would] likely punch the shit out of him."

    I kind of view Ayako as a moderate tomboy - not quite as brash, outspoken, or "angsty" as Makidera, but also not afraid to put on a little makeup, perfume, or a skirt, something I think Makidera does a lot less readily, Yamato Nadeshiko or not. Still, definitely no girly girl, and someone to whom competing with boys is kind of a natural thing and she's already done so for years. In this sense, Shinji would be in for a surprise if he tried to woo Ayako with "masculine" charm because she already puts him down a fair bit as it is - and she's friends with Rin, after all, whom Shinji wants "more." So he's kind of catch-22'd there.

    At the same time, she doesn't exactly seem to be the type who'd be cowed by force. She always came off to me as the type who'd simply have no problem punching back if she had to. Whether she'd win or not is another matter, of course, especially without a Servant to make the dirty work easy for Shinji.
    Yeah, this is why I like the idea of the pairing. It feels like she has more potential to be on equal footing with him. Probably due to the fact that she's considered by everyone to be practically a man, but still!

    Actually, one time in a totally different discussion on the same subject, I illustrated my point with a very scientific diagram.
    Updated April 25th, 2012 at 11:04 PM by Kotonoha
  11. Tobias's Avatar
    Hey, it is...theoretically.....possible for me to be wrong, shocking I know!
  12. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Pulse
    And bring old man Zouken out because she broke the NAP by killing him? Rin isn't that stupid. Neither is Shinji that dumb to tell her that. Not until during the war, anyway, I'd imagine - and at that point the NAP would be off, anyway.

    That said, I'd kind of think Rin would prefer just letting him be psychologically tortured over murdered in the end, but that's just me.
    If she knew what Shinji had done to Sakura, then she wouldn't give a shit about the NAP, to be quite honest. Indeed, in that case she might well want Zouken to "come out", so she can punish him for allowing such abuse (and that's without her even knowing about the worm rape...).
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