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Mod abuse of power

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OK, since none of the mods can actually be bothered to respond to my complaints, either in the thread or via VM, I guess I'll post it here instead.

Recently, I've noticed that mods and even admins are starting to abuse their powers. Making decisions on a whim just because they feel like it and handing out privileges for silly games.

First, we had DP handing out nice shiny names to people for his games on IRC. OK, so he was just messing about, but it still wasn't very fair on the rest of us. But, he has at least recognised that and dealt with it, not to mention that he actually bothered to talk to me rather than ignoring my complaint. So, I'm not overly bothered about that.

But, now, the mods are starting to mess around with threads. Last night, for example, we had a mod war over the title of the Questions thread. It was changed for a while to "Nasuverse Questions Thread" and, then, after a mod argument, changed back again. Now, I can accept that the changed title was probably a more logical one, but it's also confusing to people who wonder where the old thread has gone. Changing it was not necessary at all, so why was it done? Further, if you're going to make a change like that, then you should actually ask the rest of the forum what they think, not just change it on a whim. At very least, you should ask the thread creator.

Sure, the mods have the ability to change thread titles, but they possess that ability so they can deal with people making mistakes in their thread titles or with obvious misnaming, not so they can impose their idea of good title-writing etiquette on everyone else, particularly in a thread as important as that. They should not be imposing their ideas on the forum in that way, especially without even discussing it with their fellow mods, let alone everyone else.

Still, that is at least reversible, so no harm was done there, even if the mods should think about it more.

But, then, today, IRuN went a step further than that. He took two threads (the "what if ________ was raised by...?" and "what if Shirou was raised by...?" threads) and merged them together on a whim, without having even consulted the other mods, let alone the rest of the forum. OK, I can accept that there was some logic in the merger, because one of the threads was a sub-set of the other but, at the same time, he seems not to have considered the possible consequences at all.

Firstly, the threads in question were several hundred pages long. When a thread is that big, the last thing you want to do is make it longer. Keeping the Shirou stuff seperate from the oher stuff just kept things more manageable. Secondly, it will have messed up the flow of the thread. Two entirely seperate conversations will have been merged into one, making it almost impossible to follow who is responding to what. Finally, if anyone has bookmarked any parts of the old thread, those bookmarks will be lost, and it will be very difficult for people to find them again. Which means that some very good ideas will be lost forever because the person who was going to lose them has lost track of them.

Overall, it's a very poorly-thought-out change that was entirely unnecessary. Making a decision like that is not something that should be done on a whim. It should be discussed with others, and it should only be done if there is an actual reason for it. Fucking with other people's threads on a whim is not fair. Particularly when the decision is an irreversible one.

Further, when I pointed this out, both in the thread and on IRUN's VM wall, I have been entirely ignored. He can't even be bothered to give me the courtesy of a reply. Not only does he make totally arbitrary irreverisible decisions like this, he doesn't even have the guts to defend them when they are questions. And, for that matter, nor can the other mods be bothered to. All they are doing is ignoring my complaints, presumably hoping I would just go away.

Well, I'm not going to, because this is not on. Threads should not be renamed and altered on a whim, it should only be done when it is actually necessary to do so, or when the thread creator asks for it to be done. How can we trust the moderators to moderate in a fair manner when they fuck around with other people's threads without even bothering to consult them? How can I even trust that they won't just delete and edit my posts behind my back, without me even knowing about it?
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  1. Neir's Avatar
    it's good to be the mod
  2. Frantic Author's Avatar
    based mods pls go
  3. Kyte's Avatar
    Mods are allowed to do logical things without having to ask the entire forum. It's what they do.
    Also nobody ever reads old pages. I've checked. They never do.

    Leo felt the Questions thread was getting Fanfic Ideas, which leads to a need to clarify the purpose of the thread.
    IRUn felt the two threads were for the same, which leads to a need to merge them. (The counterargument about length is irrelevant because both are already waaaaaaaaay past the point where length is of any matter, because nobody will go back to read'em anyways. (Personally I've asked to just lock'em and start anew and maybe we can do some real indexing but no luck so far)).
    Updated October 18th, 2012 at 10:17 PM by Kyte (Fuck it.)
  4. Mike1984's Avatar
    They're allowed to do things that are obviously right without asking the whole forum, yes, but they're not allowed to make significant changes like that without even consulting the other mods. They should not be merging threads like that without getting the opinion of the rest of the forum. It didn't need to be done, therefore they shouldn't do it without consulting, and they should certainly get approval from the other mods, at very least.
  5. Kyte's Avatar
    Yes they are allowed, they are mods. Bitch some more, but that is what they do. Grow up.
  6. ZidanReign's Avatar
    You know if you hate how things are around here,



    Get Out.

    It's plain and fucking simple and if you don't, your going to come back to the things you hate.

    What are ya, a fucking masochist or something? There are plenty other places besides Beast's Lair.

    Just go already.
    Updated October 18th, 2012 at 10:22 PM by ZidanReign
  7. Mike1984's Avatar
    Zidan, just piss off. I don't give a fuck about your authoritarian bullshit and I'm fucking sick of hearing it.

    I can't delete your post, unfortunately, because the rules on blog moderation seem to have changed, but I really couldn't give a fuck what you think about my attitude to the rules. I'm fucking sick of being told to just fuck off if I dislike some aspects of the forum.

    I can like being on the forum without liking everything about it. Further, I very much doubt other forums are much better, and they also aren't discussing topics of interest to me.
  8. ZidanReign's Avatar
    I would love to kick your ass. But that ain't happening anytime soon.

    I'm going to leave so you can go on and sulk about the sad state of this forum.

    Authoritarian bullshit. HAH THAT'S A FUCKING NEW ONE.

    Your full of shit.
  9. Mike1984's Avatar
    "Authoritarian bullshit" is a perfect description of what you are spouting. I have every right to complain about what IRUN did and, further, liking a forum does not mean I have to like the moderation of said forum. I still want to post here even if I do not agree with some of the actions of the mods.

    Although, really, the moderation of BL isn't particularly bad when compared to most other forums. But, that does not mean I should not point out issues with it, and what I am saying here is entirely right. Hell, IRUN isn't even an admin....
  10. Five_X's Avatar
    Both of you, stop. Mike's said his piece, and you're only riling him up, Zidan.
  11. SeiKeo's Avatar
    Zidan, get out, you're just being an ass to Mike because you think you can. This is a mod.
  12. Seika's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte
    Also nobody ever reads old pages. I've checked. They never do.
    I do. *shrug*

    Questions thread - whatever. It's had its name changed a couple of times already, I don't think it's a problem. And, hey, thread titles don't really matter.

    Less happy about the merged threads. Those conversations were worth something, and people did put their time and effort into them. Not calling it a an abuse of power, but I do think it could have been less pre-emptory. A quick question in the threads or something at the very least?

    Alternate suggestion, combining Kyte's suggestion and a solution to the merge messes: just make a new thread which had the combined purposes of the two. Direct people there from the old threads and explain the reasoning: possibly back that up with by saying its a mod decision for the sake of better organisation. Kyte can index it if he wants to, and everything else could have had their conversations preserved. Wouldn't that have been better? (Side point: this suggestion would likely have come up with if there had been a quick check with people, averting the irritation on both sides. A case for some more thought and less haste?)
  13. Mcjon01's Avatar
    I completely agree with Mike on this particular topic. Mods should be enforcing the will of the forum as a whole. They get to unilaterally slap the shit out of trolls without people explicitly asking for it every time, because there's a tacit understanding that we're all okay with that. But other stuff, I don't know, at least wait for a vocalized desire for the change, and then discuss it.

    Mods, more counter guardian less true ancestor plz
  14. Neir's Avatar
    I never even noticed the questions thread get renamed.
  15. Kyte's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Seika
    Alternate suggestion, combining Kyte's suggestion and a solution to the merge messes: just make a new thread which had the combined purposes of the two. Direct people there from the old threads and explain the reasoning: possibly back that up with by saying its a mod decision for the sake of better organisation. Kyte can index it if he wants to, and everything else could have had their conversations preserved. Wouldn't that have been better? (Side point: this suggestion would likely have come up with if there had been a quick check with people, averting the irritation on both sides. A case for some more thought and less haste?)
    I only index threads that interest me (read: follow). :V
  16. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Seika
    Less happy about the merged threads. Those conversations were worth something, and people did put their time and effort into them. Not calling it a an abuse of power, but I do think it could have been less pre-emptory. A quick question in the threads or something at the very least?
    Well, perhaps "abuse of power" was a little strong, but it was definitely too quick. A mod or admin should only make an irrevesible decision like that with the full agreement of their peers, not unilaterally. Even if they had previously discussed it, they had clearly not come to any decision on the matter, and they hadn't thought to ask the rest of the forum if they were OK with it.

    Alternate suggestion, combining Kyte's suggestion and a solution to the merge messes: just make a new thread which had the combined purposes of the two. Direct people there from the old threads and explain the reasoning: possibly back that up with by saying its a mod decision for the sake of better organisation. Kyte can index it if he wants to, and everything else could have had their conversations preserved. Wouldn't that have been better?
    Yeah, I can't really see any issue with that. Or, even, just lock the Shirou one and direct everyone to the already-existant general one....

    (Side point: this suggestion would likely have come up with if there had been a quick check with people, averting the irritation on both sides. A case for some more thought and less haste?)
    Yeah, exactly.

    I'm not saying outright that merging was totally the wrong thing to do, but it should have been discussed. Asking the forum as a whole brings out ideas and issues that the mods will not notice. If it's something they can reverse, that's OK, but making a change like that, which is irreversible, should not be done without be absolutely certain it's the right thing to do. It wasn't something that needed to be done, and the potential negative consequences of doing it too quickly are far greater than the potential negative consequences of doing it too slowly, so why rush into it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01
    I completely agree with Mike on this particular topic. Mods should be enforcing the will of the forum as a whole. They get to unilaterally slap the shit out of trolls without people explicitly asking for it every time, because there's a tacit understanding that we're all okay with that. But other stuff, I don't know, at least wait for a vocalized desire for the change, and then discuss it.

    Mods, more counter guardian less true ancestor plz
    Yeah, exactly this. The mods are there to enforce the will of the forum or, if you go by the principle of "we have no say, they can do what they like", the admins. Without a clear consensus to say "this should be changed", it shouldn't be. And, whilst it was apparently discussed by the mods, they don't seem to have come to any clear conclusion to actually do anything about it.

    I don't like the idea of the admins and mods making changes like this without talking to the rest of the forum, but it is at least consistent. But, at absolute minimum they should consult each other, and get a firm decision on whether or not it should be done first. The other mods weren't even aware that it was happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neir
    I never even noticed the questions thread get renamed.
    Yeah, that's because it got changed back again.

    Like I said, that isn't anything like as big an issue, it's just a bit absurd to have two mods essentially fighting it out over the name of a thread (although I presume they were at least somewhat joking with what they posted). They really should work it out first, and preferably ask the rest of the forum.
  17. Bittersweet's Avatar
    No offense to anyone in particular, but I still feel like this forum is a little heavy on administrative staff with relation to its size. If anything, there should be fewer, but perhaps a different spread. Maybe remove a mod or two, but boost the remaining mod powers to supermoderator, so we don't have to wait around for 12 hours until all the admins come on at once.

    It just seems kind of unbalanced, is all... >.<

    Edit:
    Although it was pretty mean-spirited over all...
    Quote Originally Posted by ZidanReign
    What are ya, a fucking masochist or something?
    Mike... >.<
    Updated October 19th, 2012 at 09:27 AM by Bittersweet
  18. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bittersweet
    No offense to anyone in particular, but I still feel like this forum is a little heavy on administrative staff with relation to its size. If anything, there should be fewer, but perhaps a different spread.
    Well, that is arguably true, but I don't think it's necessary to actually remove mod powers from the existing mods unless they've done something wrong.

    Maybe remove a mod or two, but boost the remaining mod powers to supermoderator, so we don't have to wait around for 12 hours until all the admins come on at once.
    The moderators are already supermoderators. They don't apply bans because even the admins don't apply bans without voting on it, but they can do anything else.

    Mike... >.<
    What? :p
  19. Bittersweet's Avatar
    Mike: mostly S but still a little M.
  20. Aiden's Avatar
    Honestly, this is one of the more lenient forums I've ever been on. I know the White Wolf forums will start giving out warnings for initiating discussion of moderation actions in public (as opposed to PMing the moderators about it).
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