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Power and Carelessness

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Something I wanted to write a bit about that bothers me a fair bit when I read fiction (mostly more fantasy-heavy stories, for reasons that's soon be obvious) is the absurdly powerful character who's wracked with insecurity or acts just as nervous as everyone else.

Before going into why it bothers me, let's clarify what type of character I'm talking about because someone could (rightly) point out "obviously there are cases where power doesn't equal confidence".
The character I'm talking about is the unrealistically powerful one; not just a strong swordsman, but a character who can legitimately take on entire groups of armed people without a scratch, who could take the setting equivalent of a missile and get back up. I'll add the criterias that this character is accustomed to his/her own power and doesn't require some sort of transformation sequence to use it.

These kind of characters are pretty common in fantasy fiction.

Yet almost every single one of them acts scared if someone points a sword at them. They tense up when they hear a sudden noise. They start making excuses when confronted by a guard. They freak out when someone finds a contradiction in what they're saying. In short, they react like normal people react.

Why? They can't be hurt by anything that could reasonably take them by surprise; in a fair number of cases they shouldn't have a flight instinct at all. There's no reason for them to feel as if they're not in control of the situation just because the other guy has his sword drawn.

And then the fighting starts and suddenly they're smirking confidently. That makes even less sense; if they're scared of a sword when at rest, deciding to fight shouldn't make that fear disappear.

A fair reason for that is because this kind of people can't exist in the real world, so writers try to have them react 'realistically', but that's ignoring that this kind of character is innately unrealistic. Power isn't something that only applies when actively fighting; it's something that they are. Someone who's functionally invincible isn't going to act like a regular person just because they're not actively using their invincibility.

Does that mean they should always be insufferably smug? Of course not. But there should be a sense of the confidence that comes from knowing that you can't be hurt by anything around. Have them leave their weapons around without paying too much attention; let them get taken by surprise by random people throwing rocks at them and then relax, or in more technologically advance settings have them cross the street without watching. They're invincible; they don't have a reason to look out for these things like normal people do.

Essentially there can be tells that someone is genuinely powerful beside demonstrating/saying that they are, and there should be because it's a fact of their life that they're powerful.

To give the obvious Nasuverse example, that's what Gilgamesh is talking about when he says his carelessness is part of him; he doesn't have to watch out like other people do because he's a demigod with superpowers. Same for Heracles, whose fighting MO in Stay Night is to just constantly attack and never defend because he requires no defense and has no reason to be on guard against surprise attacks.

Writers, use these things if you write something involving a very powerful character, because it adds to their presence immensely more than just having the narration rant about how amazing they are.

TL;DR: A superhuman can be a nice person, but having them be a normal person is insulting to their power and to how many of a normal person's habits are born out of knowing that almost anything can kill them.

Updated October 26th, 2015 at 02:11 PM by Siriel

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  1. mAc Chaos's Avatar
    What examples are you thinking about? All the examples that jumped to my mind were characters that actually fit the bill: Gilgamesh, Cell / Freeza / Buu, various video game characters.

    Or is this just fanfic.
  2. Siriel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos
    What examples are you thinking about? All the examples that jumped to my mind were characters that actually fit the bill: Gilgamesh, Cell / Freeza / Buu, various video game characters.

    Or is this just fanfic.
    You're thinking main villains instead of protagonists.
  3. mAc Chaos's Avatar
    oh so kirito

    boooooooooooooo
  4. Siriel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos
    oh so kirito

    boooooooooooooo
    I have no clue why you would jump to Kirito when talking about powerful protagonists relative to the setting when Kirito is like at best slightly stronger than the average strong guy.

    In fact Kirito fits literally none of the criteria I gave.
    Updated October 26th, 2015 at 02:28 PM by Siriel
  5. mAc Chaos's Avatar
    all i remember from the memories i tried to forget of SAO was how great kirito was at everything

    > Why? They can't be hurt by anything that could reasonably take them by surprise; in a fair number of cases they shouldn't have a flight instinct at all. There's no reason for them to feel as if they're not in control of the situation just because the other guy has his sword drawn.
    > And then the fighting starts and suddenly they're smirking confidently. That makes even less sense; if they're scared of a sword when at rest, deciding to fight shouldn't make that fear disappear.
    > But there should be a sense of the confidence that comes from knowing that you can't be hurt by anything around. Have them leave their weapons around without paying too much attention; let them get taken by surprise by random people throwing rocks at them and then relax, or in more technologically advance settings have them cross the street without watching. They're invincible; they don't have a reason to look out for these things like normal people do.

    also this is whats happening to me in blazblue
  6. Siriel's Avatar
    Except you just die humiliatingly. That's just hubris.
  7. mAc Chaos's Avatar
    the lion does not fear the little mouse taking its crumbs
  8. Rafflesiac's Avatar
    Makes sense.

    I never watched or read Overlord, but is Momonga one of these characters?
  9. Nephirin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac
    Makes sense.

    I never watched or read Overlord, but is Momonga one of these characters?
    Recently read it, so I can say kinda. He gets dropped into the world and is super paranoid that there's going to be people just as powerful as he is, cause obviously there were in the MMO that he was playing in before. So he at least has the excuse early on of "Hey, even if these people are weak, there's probably a bunch of super strong people around somewhere, so I should avoid drawing attention." This is backed up by volume 3 where someone manages to use an item to mind control one of his minions that are just as powerful as he is.

    Basically, he acts super paranoid, but there's evidence of other players having been dropped into the same world in places, so his paranoia has some basis.
  10. Siriel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac
    Makes sense.

    I never watched or read Overlord, but is Momonga one of these characters?
    Not...really, no. He more has crippling paranoia and keeps thinking "surely the level 100+ people are just around the corner waiting for me to lower my defenses.", which stops him from realizing that he could literally just waltz into the capital and declare himself god-emperor and nothing could stop him.

    A lot of "dropped/reincarnated into fantasy world" light novel protagonists are like that, but Momonga is pretty good at realizing when he outmatches people and reacting accordingly. It's just that he just keeps convincing himself that the people he can't see are overwhelmingly stronger than those he can.

    He wouldn't really apply for this complaint anyway because he spent decades as just some random guy so of course he has regular fight or flight instincts.
    Updated October 27th, 2015 at 12:47 AM by Siriel
  11. Bloble's Avatar
    So basically OP characters should be more like Saitama.

    I can get behind that.