Apple

99.99999999% of the time, an author has written a narrative to be experienced in a particular order and given thought to make best use of that order for effect.

Shock, to take the obvious example, is an effective and useful tool: if I've been deprived of the opportunity to feel that emotion where I'm meant to, the power of the narrative for me has been diminished. I'm unable to experience at least 'as it was meant to be' which is also, assuming a moderately competent writer, at its best. That sucks.

Originally Posted by Seika

99.99999999% of the time, an author has written a narrative to be experienced in a particular order and given thought to make best use of that order for effect.

Shock, to take the obvious example, is an effective and useful tool: if I've been deprived of the opportunity to feel that emotion where I'm meant to, the power of the narrative for me has been diminished. I'm unable to experience at least 'as it was meant to be' which is also, assuming a moderately competent writer, at its best. That sucks.

Yeah but you can derive the same amount of emotion from hearing the spoiler separately

Also if the writer/director is effectice at their craft you will still feel the emotion even though your virgin experience bubble has been popped. I've watched and rewatched enough movies to know this

Context is too important. Letting it be part of the narrative experience is different from knowing beforehand and having that knowledge in the back of your head.

for instance, I spoiled myself on Shirou being Archer way before I read the VN. I will never be able to have that same kind of surprise that fresh readers would have at that revelation.

though in that circumstance, I didn't pay it too much mind and the story telegraphs it pretty obviously about the identity.

Originally Posted by Apple

Yeah but you can derive the same amount of emotion from hearing the spoiler separately

You most certainly can't. Presentation is key. To use a retro example, there is a world of difference between hearing "No, Luke, I am your father" after two movies of build-up and having it randomly mentioned to you by a buddy. Were your claim to be true, we'd be just as moved by Cliff's Notes summaries as we'd be by the real thing.

Originally Posted by Apple

Also if the writer/director is effectice at their craft you will still feel the emotion even though your virgin experience bubble has been popped. I've watched and rewatched enough movies to know this

Sure you can enjoy something again, but it won't be the same. The experience will be immeasurably different. The power of Not Knowing Shit is something many skilled directors and creators leverage, and you're underestimating just how effective it is.

Spoilers.

It's like taking a cookie away from me. Yes, I can still get another cookie, it's still good and all, but the unpleasant feeling of someone stealing my cookie...

my 2 cents

Originally Posted by Bloble

To use a retro example, there is a world of difference between hearing "No, Luke, I am your father" after two movies of build-up and having it randomly mentioned to you by a buddy. Were your claim to be true, we'd be just as moved by Cliff's Notes summaries as we'd be by the real thing.

Tbh I'd rather be emotionally prepared for the events to come to pass

Just so super inefficient to get attached to a character only for em to die

also less cranial effort spent on emotions during a game/film is more cranial effort that can be spent on assessing literary and cinematrogaphic choices

I'm generally against spoiling or being spoiled, but I wouldn't say it's universally a bad thing.

For instance, if you are the kind of person who tends to enjoy media more the second time you experience them, spoilers kinda allow you to skip the first time.

They can also help people who feel anticipation anxiety.

Finally, they can help people gauge expectations and go into a story with the "right mindset".

Originally Posted by aldeayeah

I'm generally against spoiling or being spoiled, but I wouldn't say it's universally a bad thing.

For instance, if you are the kind of person who tends to enjoy media more the second time you experience them, spoilers kinda allow you to skip the first time.

They can also help people who feel anticipation anxiety.

Finally, they can help people gauge expectations and go into a story with the "right mindset".

Those are some points I very much agree with. Why do you still advocate not being spoiled though?

Because I enjoy media the first time over, don't usually feel anticipation anxiety and go into everything with rock bottom expectations.

duh :P

Emotions lol¿

Some people are masochists who enjoy being punched in the dick and maybe you're one of those people yourself but also maybe it's polite to ask if someone would like you to do that to them first instead of just running around dick punching everybody willy nilly

You don't get to control how other people experience life

Originally Posted by Mcjon01

You don't get to control how other people experience life

But mommy, USA tries to do this all the time!

Originally Posted by Mcjon01

Some people are masochists who enjoy being punched in the dick and maybe you're one of those people yourself but also maybe it's polite to ask if someone would like you to do that to them first instead of just running around dick punching everybody willy nilly

You don't get to control how other people experience life

that is what drugs do, actually

Originally Posted by Apple

Yeah but you can derive the same amount of emotion from hearing the spoiler separately

Also if the writer/director is effectice at their craft you will still feel the emotion even though your virgin experience bubble has been popped. I've watched and rewatched enough movies to know this

Yeah but why bother when you can just look up the plot on Wikipedia?

Obviously you don't need the movie to enjoy the movie

Originally Posted by mewarmo990

Yeah but why bother when you can just look up the plot on Wikipedia?

Obviously you don't need the movie to enjoy the movie

Don't be silly the difference is the visuals and cinematography

Cases even exist where the script is fire but the graphical aspect is so garbage that you really can derive more satisfaction from reading the Wiki summary

If you honestly cannot see a difference between enjoying a book or movie for the first time, and doing it with preconceptions formed by spoilers, then you may have a cognitive deficit that needs to get checked out.

Maybe formed from years of reading fragmented translations

Originally Posted by Apple

Tbh I'd rather be emotionally prepared for the events to come to pass

Just so super inefficient to get attached to a character only for em to die

also less cranial effort spent on emotions during a game/film is more cranial effort that can be spent on assessing literary and cinematrogaphic choices

Maybe a science textbook is more your speed, then.

You guys are being entirely too mean. Thrill-evading people are a thing, it's not a mental disease or anything.

Mind-blowing revelations are proof you're still alive and not numb! That said, complex plots are fun to be spoiled by.

Originally Posted by aldeayeah

You guys are being entirely too mean. Thrill-evading people are a thing, it's not a mental disease or anything.

Thrill-evading people?