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Sexual Preference Analysis Part One: Matou Shinji Really Needs To Come Out of the Closet

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So, several fellow fic writers are doing character studies. Which is really neat, but it's not something I can really do. Most of my characterization is internal, it's a gut reaction. There's a lot of going with my gut when I write. There's also a lot of analyzing too (at one point I need to do a blog about Archer and Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome), but there's a lot that only makes sense to me. Because I'm crazy.

However, there is something I can share involving analyzing and characters.

And that is their sexual preferences! Well, not exactly that, but their sexuality and so on and so forth. Also, there maybe some characters that I analyze that may surprise you. I hope. Some not so surprising, but others . . . I know at least one character that may shock others that will be on this list but I've put a lot of thought into because it fascinates me. Plus I may use that character in the future so there you have it.

Shinji-
I told you there would be some surprises here.

I'm not too sure about my feelings on Shinji as a character, but there are hints here and there that fascinate me. Honestly, most of the stories I write has him dead, or as an Asshole Victim (by request). I do have a story idea that has a Shinji redemption plot as a secondary story line, but that's another story for another time.

Anyway. I actually see Shinji as at least bisexual with some heavy homosexual leanings. Just the boy's in denial. He might act like a playboy at school, but when he gets an object of "affection" of the opposite gender he wants to rape her. His actions towards Rin don't strike me as someone who has a crush and is trying to get close to the school idol. His actions towards Rin smack heavily jealousy; he's jealous that Rin's a true magus.

At first he attempts to date her in attempts to ride on her coat tails. If she's an accomplished magus and paying attention to him, that has to mean something to him. However Rin (smartly) gives him the brush off. Which makes him angry.

Once he gets angry he wants to hurt and defile Rin. It's not about lust, it's about showing his power over her. Like he gets to with Sakura.

. . . Sakura, that brings me to another point. Someone else he's jealous of, because Sakura is a magus and stole his place from him, but he is ordered to subdue the worms inside of her. A nicer boy would have just eagerly gone for the sex, Shinji however wants to make it as degrading as possible. At least that's the subtext of it.

He's angry and jealous towards Sakura, but he gets to show power and dominance over her. Once Sakura starts to openly defy him in HF does he attempt to "do his duty" again. And then there's the facet that she's been sleeping with Shirou.

I could argue that part of the reason why Shinji doesn't like Sakura hanging out with Shirou is that she gets to have time alone with Shirou that he can't have. That Sakura's taking something else away from him. Sakura can also be around Shirou in a romantic context and it's smiled upon, but Shinji can't. Which brings me to my next point.

Even in today's "enlightened society" male homosexuality is frowned upon, while lesbians will get branded with "cool and awesome" by the majority of the straight male population. There's still heavy homophobia towards gay men. It's dangerous to come out of the closet, especially if your grandfather is a centuries year old worm man who is determined to continue the magus blood line. Even though Zouken really wouldn't give a loose toss either way if Shinji was gay, bi, or straight, Shinji would think he would. So this brings along major repression, because, whoo, Shinji is throwing off signals like mad.

Just look at Shinji in UBW with both Gil and Archer.

Shinji is constantly touching Gil. I mean seriously. Every time Shinji and Gil are in a scene together where Gil's not
punching Ilya's dead heart through his chest Shinji is touching him. Actually touching Gil in a rather possessive way. Plus he's happy to be around Gil, because Gil's a "useful servant"and powerful. Shinji makes a point to touch Gil's shoulder, back, or arm when around him.

Then he outright tells Archer that he wishes Archer had been his Servant, or that they could have teamed up before Archer pretty much burned his bridges with everyone. Shinji's dialogue there sounds more like a guy asking someone out on a date than a missed partnership. During that whole exchange Shinji's actually rather flirtatious and turning up the charm. It could be argued that he was wanting to get to Rin and trying to charm Archer, but if Shinji had really wanted Rin then and there, he could have just ordered Gil to kill Archer.

He didn't.

Then there's his actions with Shirou. If anything, Shinji acts like a scorned lover towards his former friend.
So, that's my feelings about Shinji and his sexual preference. The boy is in denial.

I . . . ended running on longer than I'd intended. So let's just call this "Part One".

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  1. Altima of the Gates's Avatar
    Well, while I agree on most of the points, he wasn't ordered to take care of Sakura, he just did it. He doesn't have the magical energy to satiate them anyway.

    The point about Gil is the most telling, I forget that a lot.
  2. Elf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates
    Well, while I agree on most of the points, he wasn't ordered to take care of Sakura, he just did it. He doesn't have the magical energy to satiate them anyway.

    The point about Gil is the most telling, I forget that a lot.
    He was all over Gil. And while Gil was "Meh", he was still all over him.

    Then he was flirtatious with Archer.

    (. . . I want to see An Archer/Shinji/Gil threesome now.)
  3. RadiantBeam's Avatar
    I basically consider this canon, honestly. Shinji just came across way too strongly as Shirou's scorned ex, especially in HF and Fate.
  4. Dark Pulse's Avatar
    A good argument, although I think it's less about him wanting to get into Kinpika's golden loincloth and more about Gil exuding the traits that seems central to him: power and dominance. He's an absolutely dominant personality, and if you don't agree, Gil can just sink your shit right damn now with a snap of his fingers and Gate of Babylon. So needless to say, he's a giant kiss-ass (dick-suck?) to Gil.

    Even though it's not the "same" Shinji, I'd say Extra's Shinji lends credence to my argument, given how often he bashes Protag about being pathetic compared to him, and how Rider is more powerful, etc. etc. sensational so forth and so on ad naueseum and how apeshit he goes, switching immediately to bashing her when he gets his dick knocked in the dirt.

    Then again, I'd say your argument is also pretty valid. I'm not going to argue which is more "right" because only one person truly knows, and I doubt the mushroom man is going to state what one it is.
  5. Ivan The Mouse's Avatar
    So okay, no disrespect but...

    Shinji wants power over everyone. That's a fact. It manifests in his tendency to rape females that he hates and don't want him. He also is very possessive over Gilgamesh and wants Archer to be his Servant.

    How does that exactly make him gay?

    If a want for power makes him a repressed LGBT person, then O'Brien of 1984 is flaming gay, I tell you.
  6. Altima of the Gates's Avatar
    Possibly. We could all be reading too much into it, and he's just a very unwise lonely person who is kinda bratty.

    Nah...he's closeted. Got to be that.
  7. Ivan The Mouse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates
    Possibly. We could all be reading too much into it, and he's just a very unwise lonely person who is kinda bratty.

    Nah...he's closeted. Got to be that.
    Nope. He's more of a good deceiver and a bad tactician. Why? He wants power. But then, he's doing it all wrong.
  8. Kotonoha's Avatar
    Honestly, most of the stories I write has him dead, or as an Asshole Victim (by request)
    Well then my request is that you stop doing that, because as this post demonstrates, it is a terrible waste of an interesting character! >:O

    I guess I see Shinji as basically closet-bisexual, but too emotionally b0rken to ever have a meaningful relationship with anyone. Except possibly Shirou. (Or Ayako. I don't know why Ayako, it just feels right. But she has creepy fans who would crucify me for suggesting that, so.)
  9. Altima of the Gates's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan The Mouse
    Nope. He's more of a good deceiver and a bad tactician. Why? He wants power. But then, he's doing it all wrong.
    That is pretty much just what I said. Wisdom, basically thinking on your feet, creating tactics is what he is bad at. I would disagree on the good deceiver part.
  10. Dark Pulse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    (Or Ayako. I don't know why Ayako, it just feels right. But she has creepy fans who would crucify me for suggesting that, so.)
    Well, he kinda did almost rape her... or he did rape her, depending on how much you read into that one particular scene in F/SN.

    That said, you're kinda ignoring the fact that, like Rin, she'd likely punch the shit out of him.
  11. Ivan The Mouse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates
    That is pretty much just what I said. Wisdom, basically thinking on your feet, creating tactics is what he is bad at. I would disagree on the good deceiver part.
    Well, we're not actually talking here about the events in the game, but Shinji really is playboy and girls other than those who really know him think favorably of him.
  12. Mike1984's Avatar
    Yeah, I'm not sure about your assessment of Shinji's sexuality, to be honest. You're most definitely right about his treatment of Rin and Sakura (and probably Ayako too, for that matter). He raped/attempted to rape them out of anger and to assert his dominance, not out of lust. It's not clear that he sees Sakura as particularly "attractive" (although mainly that's because he doesn't want to, since that would be assigning some actual value to her), and he certainly doesn't abuse her out of any sense of lust. Rin is a little different (he does seem to lust for her somewhat), but again it's mainly about power, and also the fact that she rejected him.

    Shinji is much like Gil, to be honest (which is why he seems to like him so much), only without the success.
  13. Elf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan The Mouse
    Well, we're not actually talking here about the events in the game, but Shinji really is playboy and girls other than those who really know him think favorably of him.
    Which is a sign of a good deceiver. Shinji can be charming (and dear god I adore his voice actor, rape giggle for the win), but that's an act. He also has a superiority complex.

    And he got way too upset that Shirou scarred his shoulder and he said the scar was "unsightly". Most 15 year old boys would think that scar would be pretty bad assed. Shinji comes across as his pretty Shirou was defaced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    Well then my request is that you stop doing that, because as this post demonstrates, it is a terrible waste of an interesting character! >:O
    You know, I might have to do that. Like I said, the major secondary plot in a story I want to write has Shinji being (somewhat) redeemed and him coming to terms with the fact that he may like dudes.
  14. Kotonoha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Pulse
    Well, he kinda did almost rape her... or he did rape her, depending on how much you read into that one particular scene in F/SN.

    That said, you're kinda ignoring the fact that, like Rin, she'd likely punch the shit out of him.
    Nobody raped her, she got her blood sucked by Rider. Confirmed by word of god.

    Also, didn't Rin punch him for suggesting she betray Shirou? I'm just suggesting he and Ayako seem somewhat compatible with each other.
  15. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    Nobody raped her, she got her blood sucked by Rider. Confirmed by word of god.
    Really? Shirou acts as if she was raped in UBW.

    Also, didn't Rin punch him for suggesting she betray Shirou? I'm just suggesting he and Ayako seem somewhat compatible with each other.
    I thought she punched him for abusing Sakura....
  16. Kotonoha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1984
    Really? Shirou acts as if she was raped in UBW.
    Shirou wasn't there and only heard she was "attacked", so it would be logical to assume rape instead of assuming she got her blood sucked. Nasu actually said something like "she only got her blood sucked, sorry if you thought it was actually something erotic but we're not that kind of company, lol" or some such thing.

    I thought she punched him for abusing Sakura....
    Oh then maybe it happened more than once, I don't remember.
    Still, I don't see how "they could not have a relationship, because she would punch him for some unspecified reason" works. Seems like a poor excuse.
  17. RadiantBeam's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    Also, didn't Rin punch him for suggesting she betray Shirou? I'm just suggesting he and Ayako seem somewhat compatible with each other.
    She did, I do believe. Apparently he implied he would be a more suitable ally for her in... I think it was the Fate route? And her response to this was to punch him in the face.
  18. Tobias's Avatar
    To me shinji's sexuality was just sort of a footnote to his possessiveness. Like, if I am physical with this person, then they are mine. He had sex with Sakura because he wanted to possess her and what she had, he was very physical with Gil because (and Kota has something like this transcribed in a blog somewhere) because despite him actually knowing what Gil was, he thought he could control Gil and make him his servant. Archer, shirou, ayako....anything he had any respect/desire/interest in, I would imagine he would fuck, but the underlying cause wouldn't be hetero or homosexuality in my mind, it would be closer to greed.
  19. Mike1984's Avatar
    Yeah, that kind-of makes sense, really. Although, I think it was more about having power over Sakura than wanting to "possess" her, and the same applies to Rin to a certain extent.
  20. Dark Pulse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    Shirou wasn't there and only heard she was "attacked", so it would be logical to assume rape instead of assuming she got her blood sucked. Nasu actually said something like "she only got her blood sucked, sorry if you thought it was actually something erotic but we're not that kind of company, lol" or some such thing.
    Well, I'd hardly call rape "erotic."

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    Oh then maybe it happened more than once, I don't remember.
    Still, I don't see how "they could not have a relationship, because she would punch him for some unspecified reason" works. Seems like a poor excuse.
    Yeah, I know for a fact at least in the Fate route that Rin punched Shinji for suggesting she team up with him after he called Shirou "useless." Still, it would take some serious brainwashing for her to ever really consider him as anything more than a pest - she makes it clear in the prologue she can't really stand him, shuts him down every chance she gets, and in some ways is just waiting for the war to have an excuse to kill him, I think.
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