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Ogre-like Translations: Karna ・ CCC, Apocrypha and How That Affects Karna Fanboys

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Btw, I felt like I should say that everything in my blog is spoilers. Should have said it at the beginning, but it's only now that I realize I should say it. So spoilers, everything. Don't read if you don't want spoilers.

対魔力:C
二節以下の詠唱による魔術を無効化する。
大魔術・儀礼呪法など、大掛かりな魔術は防げない。
ただし宝具である黄金の鎧の効果を受けているときは、この限りではない。
Magic Resistance: C
Magecraft of two bars and under and nullified.
Is unable to protect against High Thaumaturgy and Ritual Class spells, Large scale magecraft.
However, when receiving the effect of the Noble Phantasm Golden Armor Magic Resistance is not limited to this.

So same as CMIV completely.

貧者の見識:A
相手の性格・属性を見抜く眼力。
言葉による弁明、欺瞞に騙されない。
天涯孤独の身から弱きものの生と価値を問う機会に恵まれたカルナが持つ、相手の本質を掴む力を 表す。
Discernment of the Poor: A
Has the observation powers to see through the opponent's personality, alignment.
During verbal communication, will not be fooled by deception.
A person without any relatives and therefore all alone in the world Karna was blessed with the opportunity to question the weak and their worth. He is able to grasp the opponent's true nature.

Same as CMIV again.
Also Christemo, this is not a Karna only skill. As long as you were poor and understood people you will get this skill.

騎乗: A
幻獣・神獣ランクを除くすべての獣、乗り物を自在に操れる。
Riding: A
Other than Phantasmal Beast and Divine Beasts, he can freely ride any other vehicle.

CMIV says "this rank means you have aptitude for the Rider Class." Is cut here. So please never use that again for any Rider qualification discussions. Also his rank from CCC is B. Why? I don't know.

無冠の武芸:-
様々な理由から他に認められることになかった武具の技量。
柤手からは剣、槍、弓、騎乗、神性のランクが実際のものより一段階低く見える。
真名が明らかになると、この効果は消滅。
Uncrowned Martial Arts: -
Arms competency that went unrecognized due to various reasons.
According to the opponent sword, spear, bow, riding, and divinity's ranks all appear one rank lower than they actually are.
After the True Name is revealed the effect disappears.

This is not a Karna only skill.

魔力放出(炎):A
武器ないし自身の肉体に魔力を帯びさせ、
瞬間的に放出することによって能力を向上させる。
カルナの場合、燃え盛る炎が魔力となって使用武器に宿る。
Prana Burst (Flame): A
Weapons and body are infused with magical energy,
this instantaneous release elevates ability.
In Karna's case burning flames turn into magical energy that infuse the weapon.

Same as CMIV

神性:A
太陽神スーリヤの息子であり、死後にスーリヤと一体化するカルナは、最高の神霊適正を持つ。
この神霊適正は神性がB以下の太陽神系の英霊に対して、高い防御力を発揮する。
Divinity: A
Sun God Surya's son. After death he unified with Surya making Karna one who possesses the highest Divine Spirit aptitude.
This Divine Spirit aptitude is for when fighting Sun God Class Heroic Spirits with Divinity B rank and lower. High defensive power is shown.

So there a plenty of people who when making the servant Arjuna give him the same second line as Karna. No. Please never do that. That is a Karna specific thing. Karna became a god and is basically Surya that's why he gets the defense against people like Cu. Arjuna never did anything like that. If Kintoki's stat sheet is considered canon then maybe.

So I hate Karna. Why? Karna's fine, but his CCC stuff and his Apocrypha stuff are completely out of whack. Example in CCC he doesn't even have Prana Burst (Flame) as a listed skill, what's up with that?
Also like I said before his Riding is A here but only B there and most importantly the stats are different. You'd think his stats would be lower in CCC where his Master is Jinako and Extra Materials points out "Karna is nerfed because of Jinako." But no. He has better stats than he does in Apocrypha where all the Red Servants are plugged into the Greater Grail.
So basically there really is no way to put CCC Karna together with Apocrypha Karna and make them make sense. lolMoon Cell all you like but Cu has the same stats as F/SN Cu which at the same time seems to show that Kotomine did max out Cu's stats, since Extra!Cu has the same stats. Of course there's the problem of where the personal skills like Disengage and Protection from Arrows went but stat-wise they are the same.

Neckbeard problems indeed.

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  1. Kat's Avatar
    Christemo is not here because his internet broke.
  2. aldeayeah's Avatar
    So there a plenty of people who when making the servant Arjuna give him the same second line as Karna. No. Please never do that. That is a Karna specific thing. Karna became a god and is basically Surya that's why he gets the defense against people like Cu. Arjuna never did anything like that. If Kintoki's stat sheet is considered canon then maybe.
    Petri was faster, but again, no real reason not to do something similar with Arjuna/Indra. Except Indra's a sky/lightning/rain god. Suck it Iskandar.
  3. Petrikow's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by You
    I was thinking about this on my walk back home. Now that I'm back home I found this:



    I care enough about you all to think about you guys during my commute <3 <3.
    Not much to think about? But if you believe you have a say in matters because you make assumptions you believe are superior to other assumptions then that's simply preposterous.

    It's funny that you link something that is more than 2 years old as well. Neither CCC or F/A light novels were a thing then. I don't particularly feel like my old posts are worth defending, but I don't see why You's arbitrariness would have an impact on their content either. As I see it my imagination is worth about as much as these garbage translations.
  4. Christemo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by aldeayeah
    Petri was faster, but again, no real reason not to do something similar with Arjuna/Indra. Except Indra's a sky/lightning/rain god. Suck it Iskandar.
    Minus the part where Arjuna didn't become one with Indra, which is why it's a Karna thing.
  5. You's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow
    Not much to think about? But if you believe you have a say in matters because you make assumptions you believe are superior to other assumptions then that's simply preposterous.
    It's not an assumption, it's here.
    死後にスーリヤと一体化するカルナは、最高の神霊適正を持つ。
    この神霊適正は神性がB以下の太陽神系の英霊に対して、高い防御力を発揮する。
    Because Karna unified with Surya he has the highest Divine Spirit aptitude and because of that he displays high defensive powers against sun god peeps with Divinity B or lower. That's really it. I not making any assumptions on that.

    Either way all the commentary I make is a space below the translations. And it's really just that, commentary of how I think this entry affects stuff. Just like how food does it. If there's something you have to admire about food, it's how he organizes everything so it's easy to access. If you don't like the commentary don't read it or tell me my commentary sucks and to go suck a dick if you think it's that horrendous or better yet do what yokushi did and we can have a fun argument.

    As for the translations themselves, yeah they're pretty bad, it'd be better and easier for me to paraphrase but even if how I word things and express things is bad the content is accurate and if it isn't you should correct it because the runes are posted so anyone can do that. If you think it's that bad of a translation, translate it yourself.

    As for your post, you shouldn't say it's garbage like that. I'm sure you worked very hard on it and thought it good enough to show people otherwise you wouldn't have posted it. Two years ago or not you shouldn't disparage it so lightly. After all, it's much better than these translations.

    Either way I think this earns me a +1 Good Job post.
  6. Mcjon01's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by You
    If there's something you have to admire about food, it's how he organizes everything so it's easy to access.
  7. Kotonoha's Avatar
    It's really easy to access Food's stuff under four pages of spambot threads.
  8. Petrikow's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by You
    It's not an assumption, it's here.

    Because Karna unified with Surya he has the highest Divine Spirit aptitude and because of that he displays high defensive powers against sun god peeps with Divinity B or lower. That's really it. I not making any assumptions on that.

    Either way all the commentary I make is a space below the translations. And it's really just that, commentary of how I think this entry affects stuff. Just like how food does it. If there's something you have to admire about food, it's how he organizes everything so it's easy to access. If you don't like the commentary don't read it or tell me my commentary sucks and to go suck a dick if you think it's that horrendous or better yet do what yokushi did and we can have a fun argument.

    As for the translations themselves, yeah they're pretty bad, it'd be better and easier for me to paraphrase but even if how I word things and express things is bad the content is accurate and if it isn't you should correct it because the runes are posted so anyone can do that. If you think it's that bad of a translation, translate it yourself.

    As for your post, you shouldn't say it's garbage like that. I'm sure you worked very hard on it and thought it good enough to show people otherwise you wouldn't have posted it. Two years ago or not you shouldn't disparage it so lightly. After all, it's much better than these translations.

    Either way I think this earns me a +1 Good Job post.
    I'm not sure what you're on, but reading comprehension can't be your strong suit.

    Every divinity entry describes why they have that rank of Divinity. In this case "Sun God Surya's son. After death he unified with Surya making Karna one who possesses the highest Divine Spirit aptitude."

    Compare that to Herakles. "As the son of Zeus, the leader of the gods, and having been accepted as one of the gods after his death, the Divinity of Herakles can be said to be of the highest class."

    It's only after that that the text relates to Karna's Divine Spirit "aptitude" as the cause for the defensive effect: "This Divine Spirit aptitude is for when fighting Sun God Class Heroic Spirits with Divinity B rank and lower. High defensive power is shown. "

    So, Surya Unification >(is the cause for)> High aptitude = Defensive effect.

    Obviously tons of other Divinity stats lines doesn't include it because they probably came up with it later and kind of swing swong with it. As you mentioned yourself, Kintoki from CMIV has the same kind of effect and as far as I know he's not Karna.

    You say "No. Please never do that. That is a Karna specific thing. Karna became a god and is basically Surya that's why he gets the defense against people like Cu. Arjuna never did anything like that."

    This is the assumption, and the haughtiness. It doesn't say its Karna specific, you just drew that conclusion by making an assumption, which you then even go back on just in case? ("If Kintoki's stat sheet is considered canon then maybe.") So You commands "NEVER DO IT!" on the basis of ...maybe.

    Falling back on "bleh bleh, food did it" is cheap since while he certainly is pretty knowledgeable, it's not like he's never been wrong. If you want to compare yourself to him you've gotta translate better, in the first place.

    Also: "If you think it's that bad of a translation, translate it yourself."

    SNNRKKK.
    Updated July 5th, 2014 at 02:23 AM by Petrikow
  9. You's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01
    Yours are organized better as a whole, but food has his commentary. You should do commentary as well I'm sure everyone would like to hear it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha
    It's really easy to access Food's stuff under four pages of spambot threads.
    I've bought one of those kitchen sets before. They don't get the recognition they deserve, so it's cool.

    As for Petrikow
    I still think it's Karna specific since both in CCC and Apocrypha he has been the only one who has had the second line, and it's not like a Cu thing in which his SN and Extra divinity explanation are different, and Kintoki was scrapped so I don't think he should be counted.
    But, I agree with your point though so I'm going to not say anything until Apocrypha Materials says something, we get another servant with that line, or Kintoki's sheet is said to be legit and not just a fun thing they put at the end of CMIV.
    On another note it's obvious that you feel as if I slighted you. I really like you a lot, so what do I have to do?
  10. aldeayeah's Avatar
    Why are you so concerned about the canonicity of fanfic servant sheets, when even the original authors make up new shit all the time?
  11. You's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by aldeayeah
    Why are you so concerned about the canonicity of fanfic servant sheets, when even the original authors make up new shit all the time?
    Because it's fun?
  12. Petrikow's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by You
    As for Petrikow
    I still think it's Karna specific since both in CCC and Apocrypha he has been the only one who has had the second line, and it's not like a Cu thing in which his SN and Extra divinity explanation are different, and Kintoki was scrapped so I don't think he should be counted.
    But, I agree with your point though so I'm going to not say anything until Apocrypha Materials says something, we get another servant with that line, or Kintoki's sheet is said to be legit and not just a fun thing they put at the end of CMIV.
    On another note it's obvious that you feel as if I slighted you. I really like you a lot, so what do I have to do?
    I don't really give a shit about what people think about me. It's mostly about the content.

    When I read the blog more in-depth after my first comment, since I usually just skim them because I can't handle reading them for too long, I found all the absolute statements and commands from you to be very poorly formulated and contradictory. This is jarring because they seem so confident and resolute. When people think they're matter and they're just making shit up, that does kind of upset me.

    There are many assumptions and premises that have to be innately accepted for your arguments to hold any water, which is pretty poor handling of the source material from someone who is supposed to be deciphering it.

    Step it up if you want to make commentary without getting called out, otherwise just shut up and translate.
  13. aldeayeah's Avatar
    wow petri

    so aggressive

    i mean it's pretty easy to separate the commentary from the translation if you don't like it

    you is only perpetuating the arai-food tradition of "rantslation"
  14. Petrikow's Avatar
    At least I'm not defensive :^)
  15. Blastedspider's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by You
    I still think it's Karna specific since both in CCC and Apocrypha he has been the only one who has had the second line, and it's not like a Cu thing in which his SN and Extra divinity explanation are different, and Kintoki was scrapped so I don't think he should be counted.
    But, I agree with your point though so I'm going to not say anything until Apocrypha Materials says something, we get another servant with that line, or Kintoki's sheet is said to be legit and not just a fun thing they put at the end of CMIV.
    On another note it's obvious that you feel as if I slighted you. I really like you a lot, so what do I have to do?
    Well, Kintoki was probably scrapped due to "no Eastern" heroes rule, not because dubious canonicity. Also, David was supposed to have slight protection against Christian mysteries due to being ancestor of JC.
  16. Kotonoha's Avatar
    About Kintoki, the rule probably had something to do with it, but the specific reason they mentioned in an interview was that it wouldn't make sense for him to not be a protagonist, but his powerlevels and personality would overshadow the other protagonists.
  17. aldeayeah's Avatar
    2 cool 4 dis world
  18. LoyaltL's Avatar
    hue
    Updated July 23rd, 2014 at 12:49 AM by LoyaltL
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