Originally Posted by Kotonoha Originally Posted by kay4today well, Tokiomi didn't seem surprised at all when he saw Kariya vomiting up worms and stuff so clearly he knew something about Matou magecraft and that it's probably fucked up He basically said himself that he thought Kariya being fucked up was because he was trying to suddenly become a magus out of greed for the grail after a lifetime of being a normal dude with no training. Like "wow you really want the grail this much that you'd do this to yourself? What a piece of shit" ...