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As promised, the lectures on the Arthurian legend(s) and its lore begin.
( This is just an introductory post, though, and it will also serve as a table of contents for later blog entries, so you'll be able to browse all entries and articles from this post. )

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There's no denying the fact that the Arthurian legend and some of its characters play a vital role in the Fate series and its lore, and that it has captured the interest and imagination of many a T-M fan. From the poster-girl of the Fate franchise ( and, I dare say, T-M in general ), Arturia, to her illegitimate son/daughter Mordred's appearance in the latest installment in the franchise, Fate/Apocrypha, the Arthurian characters seem to have reserved themselves a slot for every new work in the franchise.
Fate/Zero went a step further than other installments by featuring two Arthurian characters, and making use of their intertwined fates and giving a fresh and interesting spin on the relationship between King Arthur and her greatest and noblest knight.

Having grown up with the animated series "Prince Valiant" ( which you absolutely must watch if you haven't already! ) and Disney's animated adaptation of "The Sword in the Stone" by T.H. White, the Arthurian legend has always had a special place in my heart, so you can understand how thrilled I was to see an anime featuring one of my favourite mythological figures ( and, since I like strong female characters, the twist of Arthur actually being female only served to strengthen my interest ). I've read many modern retellings and reinterpretations of the legend, from White's "Once and Future King" series to Marion Z. Bradley's "The Mists of Avalon", and I have to say that Nasu's spin on the legend and the character of King Arthur is one of my favourite, if not the favourite one.

But enough of that; the reason why I've started this is because I've encountered, on many occasions, people spreading false ( or, at least, partially false ) information about Arthuriana around BL. Whether they've simply been misinformed, or if they're just making stuff up and spreading fanon, I've noticed that their knowledge of the lore is... not perfect, and I wish to correct that, both for their sake, and for mine ( since I get bothered a bit by people posting only partially true info on the legend while appearing 100% confident that it's fact - Morgan isn't always a faery from Avalon, you know ).




One of the most common mistakes I've seen is people claiming this and that about character X as if it were God's own truth while it's just one out of many different versions and portrayals throughout the stories and legends.
And that is also one of the main reasons why I've decided to write these lectures; there is no single "canon" work for the Arthurian legend ( just as is the case with Greek and Roman mythology, and the closest you can get to a canon work in Arthuriana is T. Malory's "Le Morte d'Arthur" ).
The legend has existed for over a thousand years, with the earliest mentions of Arthur dating from somewhere between 7th and 9th centuries, and since that time it has underwent several major changes and retellings. The early Welsh tales differ significantly from the later legend of Arthur as a champion of chivalry and knighthood, and several modern reinterpretations tend to turn their back on the High and Late medieval French and English stories of knighthood and courtly love, and instead try to tell the tale of a "historical" Arthur.


Therefore, I have decided to start these "Arthurian Lectures" with the aim of educating more people on the legend and the lore. I don't want anyone to think of this as me being condescending and "educating the unwashed common folk" or something; I'm doing this out of a sincere wish for my fellow forumites to learn more about the Arthurian legend, so that they can have a better grasp of the lore and the characters. I think we can all agree that, whatever the work at hand, fanon is a cancer that should be eradicated.

Also; as I said, many people get some things wrong about the legend, but there's also several people here whose names I can't remember, but who've shown to have a very good grasp of the legend, and seem to be well informed. I ask of those who feel confident enough in their knowledge of the Arthurian legend to help me out with these lectures, either by correcting me if I happen to get something wrong, or to point out if I overlook something they deem important to include in the lectures.

The first lecture shall be about a historical basis for Arthur, and I hope to have it posted today or tomorrow.

Updated October 16th, 2013 at 11:41 AM by Polly

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  1. Nihilm's Avatar
    Since you don't have a comment yet. Good luck and I hope you keep doing these, they sound interesting.
  2. LoyaltL's Avatar
    Looking forward to it. I can't even remember the last time I read Arthur's story. This'll be perfect. :3
  3. The Geek's Avatar
    I remember getting into an argument with Arch-Magos about whether Arturia and "The Wart" (the book version, of course) could ever possibly be the same person, and what Wart!Arturia would be like.
  4. Strange_One's Avatar
    Teach me sensei~❤

    when I have time to read these upcoming lectures. tohohohoho ;_;
  5. Daiki's Avatar
    Finally started this. I'll keep an eye on it.
  6. Ratman's Avatar
    glhf
    I am propably the guy who will bitch about versions.

    Though most of my more obscure knowledge comes from Sapkowski's very in-depth essay on Arthurian Legend, so you might as well read it instead, being slav and all.
    Updated October 15th, 2013 at 01:30 PM by Ratman
  7. Elf's Avatar
    Holy fuck, you watched "Prince Valiant"" too?

    Shit, I thought I was the only kid who watched that show. I loved the hell out of it. Rowina was one of those first strong female heroines.

    My introduction to Arturian lore was Excalibur, which is still one of my favorites. Simply because of how Merlin was portrayed.

    (Even though I'm more fond of the Celtic mythologies. I knew all about Cu and friends far before I knew what FSN was.)
  8. Polly's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Elf
    Holy fuck, you watched "Prince Valiant"" too?

    Shit, I thought I was the only kid who watched that show. I loved the hell out of it. Rowina was one of those first strong female heroines.

    My introduction to Arturian lore was Excalibur, which is still one of my favorites. Simply because of how Merlin was portrayed.

    (Even though I'm more fond of the Celtic mythologies. I knew all about Cu and friends far before I knew what FSN was.)
    Yeah, I watched "Valiant", too.
    Got all episodes on my hard drive. And yes, Rowina is a great character.

    Also, regarding the Celtic mythology: unfortunately I'm not as familiar with it as I am with the Arthurian legend, however that has been changing ever since I was introduced to Fate.
    Before Zero/ FSN, I only knew of the knights of the Fianna, Fionn mac Cumhaill and Diarmuid, of which I found out through an italian comic Zagor because there was an arc connecting the main character with the Celtic mythology, namely the knights of the Fianna.
    Having some knowledge of the Fianna and Diarmuid, you can see why I fell in love with Zero so much.
    Updated October 16th, 2013 at 06:55 AM by Polly
  9. aldeayeah's Avatar
  10. aldeayeah's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman
    Sapkowski's very in-depth essay on Arthurian Legend
    Holy fuck I want that! Is it available in English?
  11. Ratman's Avatar
    It isn't, but that is most likely because anybody has yet to a fuck about anything he wrote that isn't The Witchurrr.
    It's 100 pages with neat text, will propably be around 25-30 A4s in 10. I could totally translate it, but am kinda afraid about a horde of CDProjekt fans beating me to death with their caps.
    Though the point of this site in part already is stealing something on the excuse that you can't have it in your location, so yeah.
    Updated October 16th, 2013 at 01:12 PM by Ratman
  12. aldeayeah's Avatar
    Well, I'd certainly read it if available.

    The two first volumes of the Husite Wars saga have being published in Spanish by the way (I own them). There's life after Wiedźmin after all!
  13. Ratman's Avatar
    I've already began translating it anyway.

    It will show up here eventually, when I am done with a good chunk. It's a pretty bad thing to do, though, and random people are going to show up here complaining. Sapkowski's fans are quite militant.
  14. Polly's Avatar
    I'd whore myself to get a hold of Sapkowski's essay in English or Croatian, but I am yet to find an official publication somewhere.
    Your translation would be much, much appreciated, Ratman.
  15. SeiKeo's Avatar
    Whore.
  16. Break's Avatar
    On to searching then i guess.
  17. Polly's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by LeopardBear
    Whore.
    Canadian!
  18. SeiKeo's Avatar
    Better dead than red, as they say.
  19. Credit's Avatar
    Oh, this'll be interesting.

    Let's see what you can teach me that I don't already know. Although I should let you know the bar is pretty high. I did watch that one episode of Gargoyles where K. Arthur showed up.
    Updated October 19th, 2013 at 06:52 PM by Credit