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Mod abuse of power

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OK, since none of the mods can actually be bothered to respond to my complaints, either in the thread or via VM, I guess I'll post it here instead.

Recently, I've noticed that mods and even admins are starting to abuse their powers. Making decisions on a whim just because they feel like it and handing out privileges for silly games.

First, we had DP handing out nice shiny names to people for his games on IRC. OK, so he was just messing about, but it still wasn't very fair on the rest of us. But, he has at least recognised that and dealt with it, not to mention that he actually bothered to talk to me rather than ignoring my complaint. So, I'm not overly bothered about that.

But, now, the mods are starting to mess around with threads. Last night, for example, we had a mod war over the title of the Questions thread. It was changed for a while to "Nasuverse Questions Thread" and, then, after a mod argument, changed back again. Now, I can accept that the changed title was probably a more logical one, but it's also confusing to people who wonder where the old thread has gone. Changing it was not necessary at all, so why was it done? Further, if you're going to make a change like that, then you should actually ask the rest of the forum what they think, not just change it on a whim. At very least, you should ask the thread creator.

Sure, the mods have the ability to change thread titles, but they possess that ability so they can deal with people making mistakes in their thread titles or with obvious misnaming, not so they can impose their idea of good title-writing etiquette on everyone else, particularly in a thread as important as that. They should not be imposing their ideas on the forum in that way, especially without even discussing it with their fellow mods, let alone everyone else.

Still, that is at least reversible, so no harm was done there, even if the mods should think about it more.

But, then, today, IRuN went a step further than that. He took two threads (the "what if ________ was raised by...?" and "what if Shirou was raised by...?" threads) and merged them together on a whim, without having even consulted the other mods, let alone the rest of the forum. OK, I can accept that there was some logic in the merger, because one of the threads was a sub-set of the other but, at the same time, he seems not to have considered the possible consequences at all.

Firstly, the threads in question were several hundred pages long. When a thread is that big, the last thing you want to do is make it longer. Keeping the Shirou stuff seperate from the oher stuff just kept things more manageable. Secondly, it will have messed up the flow of the thread. Two entirely seperate conversations will have been merged into one, making it almost impossible to follow who is responding to what. Finally, if anyone has bookmarked any parts of the old thread, those bookmarks will be lost, and it will be very difficult for people to find them again. Which means that some very good ideas will be lost forever because the person who was going to lose them has lost track of them.

Overall, it's a very poorly-thought-out change that was entirely unnecessary. Making a decision like that is not something that should be done on a whim. It should be discussed with others, and it should only be done if there is an actual reason for it. Fucking with other people's threads on a whim is not fair. Particularly when the decision is an irreversible one.

Further, when I pointed this out, both in the thread and on IRUN's VM wall, I have been entirely ignored. He can't even be bothered to give me the courtesy of a reply. Not only does he make totally arbitrary irreverisible decisions like this, he doesn't even have the guts to defend them when they are questions. And, for that matter, nor can the other mods be bothered to. All they are doing is ignoring my complaints, presumably hoping I would just go away.

Well, I'm not going to, because this is not on. Threads should not be renamed and altered on a whim, it should only be done when it is actually necessary to do so, or when the thread creator asks for it to be done. How can we trust the moderators to moderate in a fair manner when they fuck around with other people's threads without even bothering to consult them? How can I even trust that they won't just delete and edit my posts behind my back, without me even knowing about it?
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  1. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aiden
    Honestly, this is one of the more lenient forums I've ever been on.
    I'm well aware of that. This is also the only forum where I don't hate the moderators with a passion. The two are correlated....

    I know the White Wolf forums will start giving out warnings for initiating discussion of moderation actions in public (as opposed to PMing the moderators about it).
    Yes, because most moderators are self-aggrandising assholes who can't take criticism, so they want to keep everything hidden behind closed doors. Fortunately, the mods on this forum aren't like that, mostly.
  2. fraggle's Avatar
    Why don't you try to become a mod yourself here?

    no trolling here. I'm honestly interested in what would happen if you became a mod yourself. While I might not agree with you on every subject, you do seem to have your image of what a moderator should be like.
  3. Aiden's Avatar
    Correlation does not equal causation bluh bluh/standard stats/research methods mantra

    And that's less the policy of the moderators on that forum and more the policy of the web team that pays for and maintains the servers, since it's an official site that needs to run with a minimum of disruptions. Beast's Lair, being purely fan-run, can afford a bit more leniency.

    Still, there's a social contract involved, and those are the forum rules. You explicitly agree to follow them when you join. General and personal 'you' intended here.

    And honestly, I've never seen much power abuse here. Certainly not something I would identify with this event, though there may have been more optimal solutions IRUn could have gone for in retrospect.
  4. Ace's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fraggle
    Why don't you try to become a mod yourself here?

    no trolling here. I'm honestly interested in what would happen if you became a mod yourself. While I might not agree with you on every subject, you do seem to have your image of what a moderator should be like.
    There's no point in trying since I think we have quite enough mods at the moment.
  5. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fraggle
    Why don't you try to become a mod yourself here?
    Because I know that there's no chance of it happening, due to my nature.

    no trolling here. I'm honestly interested in what would happen if you became a mod yourself. While I might not agree with you on every subject, you do seem to have your image of what a moderator should be like.
    Honestly, I would do very little, because I don't believe in heavy moderation. However, I suspect that angry Sakura rants at newbies would have more gravitas than they should if accomponied by a glowing green name....

    Quote Originally Posted by Aiden
    Correlation does not equal causation bluh bluh/standard stats/research methods mantra
    Yeah, I know, but in this instance I was implying causation :p

    And that's less the policy of the moderators on that forum and more the policy of the web team that pays for and maintains the servers, since it's an official site that needs to run with a minimum of disruptions. Beast's Lair, being purely fan-run, can afford a bit more leniency.
    Perhaps, but that does not make it right to just cover up issues with the moderation.

    Still, there's a social contract involved, and those are the forum rules. You explicitly agree to follow them when you join. General and personal 'you' intended here.
    Yeah, to be quite frank, I don't buy that bollocks. I don't even follow the law....

    And honestly, I've never seen much power abuse here. Certainly not something I would identify with this event, though there may have been more optimal solutions IRUn could have gone for in retrospect.
    Well, perhaps, in hindsight, "abuse of power" wasn't a good name for it. What he did was wrong, IMO, but he had good intentions, and it was not done for selfish reasons.
  6. SeiKeo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace
    There's no point in trying since I think we have quite enough mods at the moment.
    Other mods pls count :<

    :V
  7. Guy's Avatar
    I think that the union of the threads will do more good than harm, but it would be nice to have us consulted first though.
  8. Aiden's Avatar
    @Mike: Yeah, I figured, I just felt like driving the usual point home. Mostly because I have an exam coming up. XD

    Anyway:

    There is a difference between the laws of society and the rules of an optionally joined, privately-owned forum. You aren't given a choice to be involved with the former, whereas you don't have to be here. It's rather like intentionally joining a private organization of any other sort and then flaunting the rules involved there.
  9. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy
    I think that the union of the threads will do more good than harm, but it would be nice to have us consulted first though.
    I'm not really convinced it is a good thing (although, honestly locking the specific threads and keeping only the general one open quite possibly would have been), but my main issue is with the lack of consultation, not with the decision itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aiden
    There is a difference between the laws of society and the rules of an optionally joined, privately-owned forum. You aren't given a choice to be involved with the former, whereas you don't have to be here. It's rather like intentionally joining a private organization of any other sort and then flaunting the rules involved there.
    I didn't join the forum because I liked the rules, though, I joined the forum to discuss TM....
  10. Aiden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1984
    I didn't join the forum because I liked the rules, though, I joined the forum to discuss TM....
    There is still the understanding that, in joining the forum you agreed to the rules.

    You don't have to be here and discuss TM.

    It's not like government law where you don't have a choice but to be subject to them because you are automatically assumed to fall under their jurisdiction (because they have more/bigger guns than you do).
  11. Kyte's Avatar
    Nobody joins a forum because they like the rules, but they agree to follow the rules in exchange of having a place to discuss stuff.
  12. Aiden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte
    Nobody joins a forum because they like the rules, but they agree to follow the rules in exchange of having a place to discuss stuff.
    This, basically.
  13. Mike1984's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte
    Nobody joins a forum because they like the rules, but they agree to follow the rules in exchange of having a place to discuss stuff.
    That does not mean that the moderators and admins can do as they wish and expect not to be questioned. The forum exists for the benefit of the members, not for the benefit of the admins.
  14. Bittersweet's Avatar
    On the other hand, places like /a/ are moderated far less than BL, and people can freely discuss TM all they want there...
  15. SeiKeo's Avatar
    Yeah but /a/ has bad taste.
  16. Mike1984's Avatar
    Yeah, and it's full of asshole trolls....
  17. Bittersweet's Avatar
    It's full of trolls because there are no mods around who care about keeping order.


    ...Like there are here.
  18. Mike1984's Avatar
    Yeah, "keeping order" does not in any way prevent trolling.
  19. Bittersweet's Avatar
    Send Crying_Vegeta a PM and see if he responds.
  20. Mike1984's Avatar
    That's not "keeping order", that's banning trolls for being assholes. The two are different. Order does not stop trolling, banning assholes like CV stops trolling....

    "Keeping order" can just as easily be used as an excuse for banning people who aren't trolls, and many forums deal with trolling by banning the victim and not the troll, especially if it's subtle.
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