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Fragments Berserker and the Dangerous Game

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Alrighty everyone, this blog post will be more in line with the likes of my ones concerning the No Name Assassin and Sha Nagba Imuru. As it stands though, while I've done my research on this one, I welcome anyone who can provide an answer as this will be more an open ended question than anything else.

For those not wishing to be spoilered on the relatively recent series of Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Blue and Silver, I suggest you cease reading now. For those others who are either up to date, or don't care, feel free to continue.

Now then, as it is known, the Berserker class servant for Fragments is the titular figure from Robert Louis Stevenson's The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. This creates a rather unique Berserker as he is only effected by Mad Enhancement whilst in the form of Hyde, and is normally in his Jekyll form, who lacks the same unique presence given off by servants, and thus has a form of Presence Concealment.

The object that allows Berserker to swap readily between his dual natures is his Noble Phantasm, Dangerous Game: The Secret Game of Sin (I think the translation here is solid, but I'm not 100%) This Phantasm is the mythic tincture that Jekyll developed to split the good and evil of his being from one another. Of course it didn't fully work, instead forcing himself to occupy the same body as his evil side, whom he dubbed Edward Hyde, whilst his core persona did not change at all.

However, the thing that drew me to this servant and his phantasm is not the story as such, but the name. Having looked into it, I could find no source for the name of the Noble Phantasm except a reference to a Jekyll and Hyde musical, featuring a song entitled A Dangerous Game.

This likely would have been the end of my investigation, but I had, not too long before, come into possession of a copy of the Novella itself.

Over the past week, I've been reading it sporadically and have finished it the day before last. It's not an abridged version, nor is the text modernised, it has all of the same phrases and inflections as the original, with fore and after words by the publisher, and yet no where in the text could I find a reference to the phrase 'dangerous game'. Having been intently searching for it, it seems unlikely I would have missed it, I don't think the term 'game' ever actually appears at all.

Which leads me to conclude that the sole source of the name for this Phantasm is the musical interpretation.

If anyone has evidence to the contrary, I more than welcome it, but I just want to be clear on this one (In light of past errors and such) that I have personally, thoroughly researched this point and have failed to find a satisfying answer.

Updated April 22nd, 2015 at 08:22 AM by Hawkeye

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  1. Christemo's Avatar
    Dangerous Game is named after a song from a musical, big deal lol. There's been sillier NP name sources. Siddthartha's Amita Amitabha is just the word "infinite" smacked on the front of the name of another Buddha, Amitabha.
    Updated April 15th, 2015 at 03:32 PM by Christemo
  2. Hawkeye's Avatar
    Wow, I don't believe it, I've actually added something you can't refute off hand and you still manage to complain. -_-;
  3. Christemo's Avatar
    It's entirely off-hand refutable because what else should the name come from?

    I mean your blog post here is basically a challenge to disprove something that is basically fact.

    Like if you don't like complaints don't post. Just as you have every right to post what you do, I have every right to complain about faults, errors, fallacies or absurdities in those posts. That's the burden of a creator.
    Updated April 15th, 2015 at 04:15 PM by Christemo
  4. Hawkeye's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo
    I mean your blog post here is basically a challenge to disprove something that is basically fact.
    So let's just be clear.

    When I think I've done my research, but turn out to be wrong, you complain.

    When I'm not certain my research is sound, but turn out to be right, you complain.

    What I'm looking for is whatever eventuality that doesn't result in you complaining.

    Cause so far, you complain if I'm wrong, and you complain if I'm right, so unless I produce some sort of Schroedinger's Theorum in which I am simultaneously correct, and full of shit, I'm not sure what else I can do that has any chance of you not complaining.

    At this point I'm wondering if I'll be stuck with you for as long as I continue to make blog posts, or posts in general as you tend to show up there too.
  5. Christemo's Avatar
    A wise man once said "To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing and be nothing."
  6. Kirby's Avatar
    You could just put him on ignore, you know, if you're tired of his complaining.
  7. Christemo's Avatar
    A respectable choice really, but it is the "be nothing" option.
  8. Megas's Avatar
    Chris let it go man. It's not worth risking strikes.

    Hawkeye, I really genuinely do not understand what you intend to accomplish with these 'analyses', but whether you like it or not, a lot of people are going to call bs on you even if things seem factual to you.

    It's just the way things have evolved here for non-runers

    The entire basis for establishing lore is either directly from source material/word of god, or you have a theory that has been vetted and verified enough that it is generally accepted to hold up within the current established lore
    Updated April 15th, 2015 at 06:13 PM by Megas
  9. Christemo's Avatar
    Also, and I mean this the best way I can, you come off as a bit of a Captain Obvious, in that you just re-state what is already common knowledge and then spice in a bit of misinformation accidentally. I don't think you're actually particularly benefiting anyone with them except yourself, and that's fine and all, but it does then lead to the question of "Is this really worth doing?"
  10. Hawkeye's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo
    Also, and I mean this the best way I can, you come off as a bit of a Captain Obvious, in that you just re-state what is already common knowledge and then spice in a bit of misinformation accidentally. I don't think you're actually particularly benefiting anyone with them except yourself, and that's fine and all, but it does then lead to the question of "Is this really worth doing?"
    Things that may be obvious to one person are not readily apparent to another, so just because you don't gain anything from my blogs, doesn't mean that nobody else does.

    As for benefitting anyone but my self, believe me, dealing with constant criticism because of my failings does not strike me as a benefit to me. It's stressful and irritating, and it's not because I'm incapable of taking criticism, I just don't believe that criticism need be harsh. If I'm wrong, fine, I've been wrong many times before, and I'll be wrong many times after, but I fail to see how handling these things the way you do benefits anybody either.

    I'll admit, the analyses (Which wiktionary tells me is the plural for analysis) are probably worthless to most people round here, but things like this, my first three blogs and the big list I did, I think, if nothing else, serve as interesting little things that some might find entertaining. I know for a fact there are people who didn't notice the Delusional Heartbeat one, and that some others found my comparison to the Kouga Ninja scrolls interesting. So why wouldn't the idea that Berserker's Phantasm is named for a piece from a Musical adaptation of the original story be worth noting?

    When I first started these things, another user added these two blogs

    http://blogs.nrvnqsr.com/entry.php/3...king-shitblogs

    http://blogs.nrvnqsr.com/entry.php/3...od-Power-Abuse

    Which aside from the titles, strike me as not particularly constructive, but aside from a minimal response in the one that mentions you by name, I don't see you giving them crap for not doing something worth doing.

    So, I suppose if there is a point to all this it's simple that, I know I get shit wrong, but if the people around here are as well informed as you claim, then they already know I'm wrong and will ignore it, and if you don't object to my being allowed to post whatever I want (within reason) then kindly stop giving me crap every time I post a blog.

    In all seriousness, I have posted eight blogs, you didn't comment on the first three, and yet it has already gotten to the point where I post one and basically wait for you to criticise it, it's ludicrous.
  11. You's Avatar
    I would say the reason why Christemo is complaining for this one and not the others is because this has already been done and said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    It passes the silly reference test at least; it's the title of one of Hyde's songs in the Broadway Musical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuclear Consensus View Post
    Does that mean that when Jekyll transforms into Hyde, he gets a kickass singing voice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo View Post
    Amazing.
    While the other two about Delusional Heartbeat and the Koga Scrolls have never been stated before.
    Either way, the reason why Christemo is getting in your grill this time is because it's a conversation that's already been had, and supposedly common knowledge for all those who bothered to read it. Therefore, coming up and implying that this is something new and you're the one who found it is disrespectful to those who actually did find it first. Furthermore, you challenged people to disprove something that has been established pretty much as fact.
    Basically it's like saying "I think the sun is in the sky," then turning around to a person and saying, "prove to me that the sun isn't in the sky."

    Personally, I think it's fine because you obviously haven't read the conversation where all this was already discussed, but it's understandable why someone else would get upset.
    Updated April 15th, 2015 at 10:58 PM by You
  12. Hawkeye's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by You
    While the other two about Delusional Heartbeat and the Koga Scrolls have never been stated before.
    Either way, the reason why Christemo is getting in your grill this time is because it's a conversation that's already been had, and supposedly common knowledge for all those who bothered to read it. Therefore, coming up and implying that this is something new and you're the one who found it is disrespectful to those who actually did find it first. Furthermore, you challenged people to disprove something that has been established pretty much as fact.
    Basically it's like saying "I think the sun is in the sky," then turning around to a person and saying, "prove to me that the sun isn't in the sky."

    Personally, I think it's fine because you obviously haven't read the conversation where all this was already discussed, but it's understandable why someone else would get upset.
    Well if that is the impression I was giving, I apologise, but at this point, I've gotten used to being proven wrong around here, I was honestly expecting someone with a screen cap of the page with Dangerous Game highlighted in the novella, so this time, while believing I had done my upmost to ensure I was correct, I had my doubts. So it's not that I'm throwing it out there as some kind of bait to get people to correct me, it's that I wasn't placing all my bets on being right given the trend.
  13. Christemo's Avatar
    You can kind of see why people would have the reaction I do based on You's comparison, right? You basically act like you've just reinvented the wheel when what you've done is just state something that is bordering on common knowledge. I understand that you might have not heard it's common knowledge because you're new-ish here, but it still comes off as disrespectful and somewhat arrogant, and then acting insulted when that's pointed out to you isn't really helping either. It's like how saying Colombus discovered America is disrespectful to the memory of the vikings who did it like 500 years prior.

    Understand that I'm actually trying to help you here, because BL does have sort of a natural way of sorting how people view other people, and thats that eventually people will just stop even listening to you altogether, and trust me when I say that's far worse than getting criticism.

    Just like, try to understand that acting annoyed over criticism or complaints makes you come off as spoiled or arrogant, and that you should just take things in stride, while also not assuming that we don't know stuff like this. BL is the most up to date TM site on the internet outside of the Japanese communities, and generally new lore stuff is always from here, and many people here are pretty well read in both fiction, history and mythology, so trying to wow BL is quite hard and generally requires that you can read Japanese.
    Updated April 16th, 2015 at 08:11 AM by Christemo
  14. Spinach's Avatar
    It's like how saying Colombus discovered America is disrespectful to the memory of the vikings who did it like 500 years prior.
    Yeah but their discovery didn't do anything but give the Aztecs the boat making technology to invade Europe anyway so like really the vikings should be ashamed of that shit.